Daytripper Diaries: Mapping Out Creative Roads with Chet Garner
Join Kassi Kincaid in a dynamic conversation with Chet Garner, creator of the PBS award winning show, the Daytripper! Journey through Chet's early career as a lawyer and discover the creative path that made him a Texas icon!
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Kassi Kincaid (00:00):
Welcome to The Edge of Creativity Podcast. I'm your host, Kassi Kincaid. And joined with me today is Chet Garner, better known as the DayTripper. Chet, thank you so much for being here today.
Chet Garner (00:14):
Yeah, of course. Hey, well, hey, thank you for being here. You came to my house.
Kassi Kincaid (00:18):
I did!
Chet Garner (00:18):
This is now your podcast set, so yeah, I am. I'm visiting you.
Kassi Kincaid (00:23):
This is incredible. Oh my word. I am born and raised Texan. So admire your show and all the different adventures that you've gone around to show not only Texans, but the world.
Chet Garner (00:35):
Yeah, well, that's the idea. So when we started off, we said we want to make a television show that inspires people to watch less television. That's what we're trying to do. Where'd you grow up?
Kassi Kincaid (00:47):
I am born and raised in Round Rock.
Chet Garner (00:48):
Hey, all right, neighbor.
Kassi Kincaid (00:50):
Yes. I was saying you live in Georgetown.
Chet Garner (00:52):
Georgetown now? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Born in Comanche, raised in Southeast Texas. Port Neches-Groves, high school state champs. What? No, we just won our first football state championship in, let's see, 50 years. So the city went nuts. And so it's going to be on T-shirts for the rest of the time.
Kassi Kincaid (01:12):
I bet they're still celebrating.
Chet Garner (01:13):
Yeah, they're literally, yeah.
Kassi Kincaid (01:16):
So just kind of kicking it off today, Chet, can you share with our listeners where your TV journey began and how has progressed to where you are today?
Chet Garner (01:25):
Big open question. No, that's a good question though. So I often say I fell in love with filmmaking. You can't really call it films. I mean, it was attacking the killer space noodles from Mars, parts one, two, and three. But we did make those and those exist. But I fell in love with telling stories through video, probably 10 years old. My grandpa had a VHS video camera. Have you ever held one of these things? You're way younger than me. Wow. So I mean, they're like, bazookas, you put 'em on your shoulder like a bazooka, and you had record, and he had one. And surprisingly, I mean, they were expensive back then, but he would let us run around and make movies with it. And so me and my cousins started off making movies, just really dumb films. And I think that just grew into a love for, this is really fun.
(02:20):
I love that. I had a passion for it. And so did videography in high school, went to University of Texas, got a radio, television and film degree. Yeah, so I mean, it was seeded early or I was fortunate enough to identify something I was really passionate about early. Now that's not to say I didn't chicken out and not pursue it for a little while. I mean, it takes some guts to say, especially with a creative job, to say, I'm all in on this and the rest of all these other careers that maybe make more sense on paper. I'm just going to scorn all those and I'm going to go after this. So I went to UT radio, television and film, but my giant safety net, believe it or not, until I was a junior, was Pre Med. My dad was a physician and my brother is in med school.
(03:07):
And I'm like, look, I mean, that seems like a pretty good thing to do. I guess you can make some money on it. And I'm naturally curious. So I do like the human body. I liked all those dissections we did in school. I just liked all that stuff. But it occurred to me near the end of college, man, if I go to med school, I'm kind of stuck being a doctor for the rest of the time. And while it wouldn't necessarily be bad, that's not really what I'm that passionate about. My former most passionate storytelling, I was like, but I wanted to go to graduate school, didn't know what I wanted to go to, a big giant open-ended graduate school that I could then use maybe in filmmaking. And so I was like, law school sounds easy enough, but I applied to law school. I get into law school, I'm like, it's three more years.
(03:54):
That's fine. And then maybe I can pop out into the entertainment world and be better positioned to be a producer or a director or something, an entertainment lawyer, whatever that was. So that was kind of my circuitous route. And then you want to just go into it. We still use rock and roll. So I do well in law school, and when you do well at something, all these opportunities start to present themselves regardless of whether or not those are the right opportunities for you to do. And so I had an opportunity to work for what at the time was the largest law firm in Texas. It's called Fulbright and Jaworski. They had an entertainment division. I was like, this is going to be cool. I get to move back to Austin where we're all making all these movies, it'll be great.
(04:43):
And then got the job. First week I show up and I'm like, Hey, we're going to do entertainment law stuff. Like, oh no, we shut that division down. That doesn't make any money. So I was like, oh, okay. So I found myself doing trademarks and copyrights, which is entertainment adjacent. There's copyrights in our business, has lots of... you know what I mean? It's got lots of relevancy. Trademarks is branding, slogans, advertising. So it was just close enough to where I felt like I was doing it, but not close enough to where it was really fulfilling. And I felt like God had gifted me in certain things. And if I was just going to stay in a law firm, I was going to sort of let him die on the altar of money or prestige or whatever that was. And so I was like, man, I got to make a move.
(05:31):
And so I think it was by about, I probably decided before I got in the door that I wasn't going to do this for the rest of the time. But as a lawyer, let's see, I started in September. By July we had filmed the pilot for the DayTripper, but then it took another two years before I had any open window to actually make the show something that people could watch on TV. So that was a whole nother journey. But basically I was working, my day job was an attorney. My night hustle was trying to figure out how to make a television show. And it was like, I've been passionate about Texas and I knew I wanted to tell the stories of small town Texas. And so that's where the DayTripper was sort of born. Yeah.
Kassi Kincaid (06:22):
What was that journey like taking it from this creative idea onto PBS?
Chet Garner (06:29):
Yeah. Yeah. So the DayTripper was sort of born in my brain when I was overseas in Europe, and I saw that all these tiny countries had their own national media, and then you would come back to America and all our national media is huge. I mean, it's got to cover coast to coast. And man, I wish Texas is bigger than all these European countries. We need our own national media. And then I love travel, so it was sort of like, I bet you we could have a really awesome travel show that was more focused on Texas for Texans. And so I just had that idea. And plus, I mean, I've always loved barbecue swimming holes, silly stories around the campfire about lost treasure and cowboy shootouts and all that stuff. And so the DayTripper was very much just me putting my favorite things in a television show.
(07:27):
It sounds so selfish, but it kind of was, but thinking that there's got to be other people who identify with this content would like this content. So we made a pilot, and that was, I was like, alright, I think we're going to make a show that inspires people to travel Texas, but I want to inspire them to visit destinations that they've never thought of as destinations, right? Places you just drive through and think, whatever. I mean, Round Rock, people are like, oh, it's an Austin suburb. There's nothing there, which isn't true. And so I was like, all right, so I need a pilot episode. What would make an impact? What can I show in Austinite? Like, oh, you hate this city, but it's actually pretty cool. And I thought, okay, Waco, everybody hates Waco. And this is before Chip and Joanna, but it's true.
(08:21):
Everyone hated Waco. And it was a pastime in Austin to dog Waco. But I had gone to Baylor Law. I knew that there were all these awesome things there that you could do, the zoo, mountain biking, like burgers. And so I was like, look, I think if we showed people an episode where Waco actually looked like a good place to go, that would make an impact. I had a buddy from film school named Nathan. He just happened at the time to be managing the equipment closet at ACC. No. Yeah. So I give him a call like, hey, Nathan, he was a good friend of mine. And I was like, do you think let's go make something? We worked on a lot of projects in undergrad together. I was like, hey, let's go try and make a TV show. And he is like, all right.
(09:10):
I was like, but where do we get cameras? He's like, well, I think I just asked. And they'll let us take whatever we want. And so we worked out a deal with a ACC, I think we shot the pilot without permission. I think it was like a Shh, they won't notice. It's a day, it'll be back. And then by the time that we were actually going to have a show, we asked permission. They were super gracious. And so we filmed this pilot, show it to PBS, and I mean, it took me about a year to edit. I was like, I didn't quite know what the voice was. I didn't know what I was doing.
(09:49):
That's one thing I think creative people have to have. If you've got a fear of failure that's keeping you from just getting the idea out on paper or on film or on podcast, you got to work to limit that sucker. That fear of failure will keep you so far from your creative mind that you'll be too scared to try anything. So whatever. And just because you try something and it doesn't maybe hit the target you want with art, what's the target? There is no target. It's all up in the air. The greatest artists didn't mimic anybody. They just sort of went and got out, whatever that was in their mind. And so we edited it, showed it to PBS. PBS was like, we love it. Make as many as you can. And I thought that came with a big old pile of money. It did not come with a big pile of money.
(10:40):
PBS very much was like, no, no, no. We just begged people for money. We don't give money out. And I'm like, how do I make a show? And they were like, well, look, there's this thing. They walked me through this process. Underwriters, sponsors, you form relationships with business' that will fund the content. And then that was the next literal year and a half while I was working at the law firm, cold calling businesses, seeing if anyone would give us any money. Oh, it was terrible. It was awful. I mean, I didn't know what I was doing. I dust up. I had taken a class at UT called Producing, and they kind of showed us how to make a producing deck. Like, okay, here's the concept. Here's some photos. Here's the first couple episodes, here's the log line, here's a budget, here's a whatever.
(11:24):
And so I just kind of copied that and started passing it out to people. Now to make it extra difficult. This was 2008 when we would just come out one of the worst housing crisis crises in the history of the nation. So everybody was super tight on money, and it was hard. I mean, I called hundreds of people, and the first shoe that dropped Chip McElroy with Live Oak Brewing was like, it was an Austin brewery kind of before the craft beer boom. But they were doing really well in Austin. And I remember I had dropped the ask. Everybody was telling me no, at like $50,000. I dropped it to 20, I dropped it to 10, I dropped it to 5, and then I'm just asking for two grand. I'm like, I just need someone who believes in this so that when I get it on television, it'll sort of that I could actually have a show.
(12:23):
Because when you're selling a show before a show exists, it's really hard. It's a chicken egg thing. And so Chip McElroy was like, oh, hey, this sounds kind of cool. Let's do it. And I was like, oh my gosh, did I just have someone commit to this show? And I said, thank you. And I hung up the phone and was like, uh oh! Yeah, what just happened when it's just a pipe dream you don't have to do it. When someone's putting money behind it, then it's like, oh, now we have to actually make the show. It's another. And so that was the summer of, oh, that was right at the end of the year of 2009. And I knew that by the summertime, I was going to have to step away from law to chase this dream, but I didn't know if it was going to fall on its face or not, that I was willing to take the risk.
Kassi Kincaid (13:08):
And now, how many seasons have you done to date?
Chet Garner (13:13):
I'm editing the last episode of season 14.
Kassi Kincaid (13:17):
Wow.
Chet Garner (13:18):
That's what's happening.
Kassi Kincaid (13:18):
Your determination sure paid off!
Chet Garner (13:20):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it wasn't until year four that we made any money doing this. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Kassi Kincaid (13:28):
I like what you said. People think assume TV shows with just a pile of money, and that's just not really reality!
Chet Garner (13:35):
And nowadays it's even less true. Everyone is hustling and scrappy because content is so pervasive between YouTube and just the great cameras we have on our phones that you can just do so much with it that everyone's having to be scrappy, everybody. So you got to have a good idea that you believe in, and then you have to hustle because no one is waiting around with a big pile of money to throw it at you. There's not. Yeah.
Kassi Kincaid (14:06):
Wow. Absolutely. So I want to hone in a little bit on your whole creative process. How do you...
Chet Garner (14:14):
Look in the brain?
Kassi Kincaid (14:15):
Yes. How do you brainstorm where you want to go, the creative process as far as your writing, underwriting, the episodes of the script? Take me through some of your creative process.
Chet Garner (14:32):
So, we're actually in a really great spot, Kassi, in our podcast room, but I have commandeered the door on the back of the wall. You see this Texas map? So it's just your TxDOT Texas map. Those red dots are everywhere we've made episodes, the pink little Post-Its are the places would make great episodes. And the Post-Its that are on the map, are probably the ones that will film this upcoming season. So when I plan a season, I'm looking for geographic diversity, food diversity, activity diversity. I can't eat barbecue every episode as much as I love barbecue, it gets a little repetitive. So got to go to the coast and we'll eat some shrimp. We'll go to Del Rio and eat some tacos. It's fun. So I mean, I started scouting the show before we had a show, and I'm just locking away in my brain all the interesting things I'm finding across Texas and kind of flagging 'em. I've got a big spreadsheets. I'm just always looking for the next great show, always.
Kassi Kincaid (15:37):
And I think that's what creativity's all about, right? Just brainstorming. It doesn't have to be one definite answer. You're just always thinking of ideas. And you never know which one's going to land.
Chet Garner (15:46):
That's exactly right. I mean, with regard to the show. Absolutely. Absolutely. Because I love doing this stuff. If you give me a day off of work, I would love nothing more than to hop in a car and go somewhere I've never gone before. Like still, that's just no cameras, no you don't have to deliver anything, and you just go and explore. So that's just my natural tendency. So the show plays perfectly into it.
Kassi Kincaid (16:13):
When you go and scout, are you scouting when you're going to episodes or sometimes you just take off and be like, it's a scouting trip? How does that work?
Chet Garner (16:22):
I don't have time. I used to do scouting trips. I don't have time for those anymore. I'm sure I'm scouting as I'm going between stuff. So this past weekend I had to go to Grand Prairie for a barbecue competition. Well, I stopped at a place on the way. I stopped at a place on the way back in Grand Prairie, which we've never done an episode on. I was like, okay, I'm not just going to eat barbecue at my favorite place, even though I would love to. I'm going to go have to try these other three places or pop in on 'em, drive around, sort of always trying to build out the episode in my brain.
Kassi Kincaid (16:56):
And how does that work? Have you ever had celebrity moments with people like, oh, Chet Garner just walk into my restaurant?!
Chet Garner (17:03):
It's weird. It's weird. I mean, if I walk into a place that I haven't filmed, and in a town we haven't filmed a town yet, that gets a little awkward because you're trying to kind of fly under the radar. You want to pay for your meal, you want to just like, look, I don't want to set up any expectations that we're actually coming back here, but if you get spotted, you're done. You ordered this one plate of barbecue, here come the other five plates of barbecue, and then here comes the dessert, and here comes that side that you didn't try.
(17:37):
And I don't mind. I'm friendly. I like meeting people, but they'll sit by you. The grandma comes out and then it's like, okay, man. You feel like you're connected to 'em. And if they make an episode and you don't feature their place, well then it's like total let down, man. So one of the toughest things we've done, we do these season finales where we let the viewers' choice pick. We let the viewers pick. So they've picked for, I don't know, maybe six seasons where we go for the finale. Well, when they're voting, it's an open vote. The whole town rallies behind it. So Wichita Falls, they knew we were coming for an episode. So then what happens? Well, then every mom and their business and their dog starts writing us, Hey, feature our business, feature our business. And then you're going to feature two restaurants and disappoint 20. Yeah. So it's, I mean, it's just part of the thing.
Kassi Kincaid (18:34):
Do they get any free swag or anything out of it if they don't, just a few autographs?
Chet Garner (18:39):
No, no. I'm happy to sign autographs, which is weird, by the way. But it is, yeah, it is tough. It's tough. Sometimes you could throw up some social media or we'll put a place on our website or something like that, just so many good restaurants. And the show's only 30 minutes long. And you can't just feature restaurants. You got to find the museums and the history and the outdoors and mix it all together so it can get complicated. In some towns, you're picking between the 80 things you want to do. In some other towns, you're like, I've only got two. Please find something else to do here. So you're flipping over rocks, you're driving down back roads. You're asking the moms and their cousins and the cops where the good restaurants are. And so it is more challenging with some than others.
Kassi Kincaid (19:30):
So if you had to pick three, I know you have been all over Texas. What would be your top three places you dated?
Chet Garner (19:40):
I don't have any. That's a tough question Kassi. I'm an enthusiast at heart and I love finding new places. And so I may fall in love with the city, but very rarely ever go back. I'm looking for another thing. I'm looking for the next city. I very rarely return to restaurants ever. And luckily, my wife, Laura, she's the same way. So if we're going on a date night, we're going somewhere new. We're never going back to that spot we have for our anniversary. No, that's not how we operate. Yeah. Where are we going? We already been there. Oh, then what's the point? We're going to go somewhere else. So daytripping is kind of like that. I mean, I've got some towns I love, I love Mason and San Saba and Llano, the hidden hill country towns on the coast. I love Palacios.
(20:33):
I love South Padre. I love, man, I find stuff to like about every place. And that's one of my faults is I tend to focus too much on the positive. And Laura, my wife, calls me out on it all the time, man, this place, those ribs are awesome. She goes, yeah but Chet you can't feature it. Everything else was garbage and they weren't nice to us. I'm like, yeah, but the ribs were, you're right. This place, I can't put this place on TV. Whatever. She's like, I fixate on the one thing I liked rather than the other stuff. And sometimes you got to be honest, but I think Texas, if you look hard enough, you can find some reason to like every town. So I don't have favorites, and that's the honest truth. I don't have favorites.
Kassi Kincaid (21:19):
Do you have a preference as far as north, south, east Texas, west Texas?
Chet Garner (21:23):
Oh man. I live in the hill country. I love the hill country swimming holes and the barbecue. It's just kind of can't be beat. But every time I go to Big Bend, I'm like, oh man, I wish I lived out here. Every time I go to the coast, I grew up sort of in the salty air of the coast. So every time I get that sea breeze kind of dead fish kind of seaweed, and I start swatting mosquitoes off me. I'm like, this is home. And I miss the trees. I do. I miss the pine trees because we were in the Port Arthur area. You could get to the beach pretty easily, or you could get to the Pines really easily. And those man, the trees of east Texas, I do. I miss 'em. I miss 'em.
Kassi Kincaid (22:10):
So is there one place in Texas that you just think is super underrated for people?
Chet Garner (22:23):
There are. Here we go. No, here we go. The panhandle is super underrated. And so people don't go to the panhandle, or if they do, they're on their way to Colorado. And the panhandle, I mean, it is far away. You got to be honest. It's a hall to get there. But it is beautiful. And between Palo, Duro Canyon and the Rolling Hills of Canadian and the lakes and just, I love it. And I'm mostly thinking of Central over to the east side. You go there by Dumas and Dalhart wonderful people. But man, this stink. Have you ever been up there? You don't roll down your windows when you're going through Dumas? Yeah, the feedlots, oh man, I don't know how they live there. And it's super flat, but over the eastern panhandle and right around the cap rock, it's gorgeous. And people don't go up there because it's so far away.
Kassi Kincaid (23:19):
If you're not going to Colorado that way.
Chet Garner (23:22):
But you could easily take a whole vacation in the panhandle in east, and you would be floored at how pretty it is.
Kassi Kincaid (23:30):
Wow! All right, listeners, you've heard it from the Daytripper. You've got to check out the panhandle.
Chet Garner (23:33):
I mean, Big Bend gets plenty of love. The hill country gets plenty of love. The coast, east Texas, they all get plenty of love. But the panhandle man, people love to bash the panhandle, and it is, I love it.
Kassi Kincaid (23:47):
So Chet, we talked so much about creativity today. How would you describe in the ways that you described that all that creativity has made an impact?
Chet Garner (23:58):
I mean, I think the wonderful thing about art or creating, if you break creativity down into this, the act of creating something, because creativity, that's just whatever trapped in your brain doesn't do anybody good. You got to find some way for it to manifest itself. And it could be anything. I think people limit creativity and think music, film, poetry. But man, when you're actually creative, creativity manifests itself in so many ways. I mean, carpentry, building furniture, this couch we're sitting on was made by an inmate who learned furniture while he was in prison and got out and started making couches. So this shows an incredible amount of creativity to me. I look at it and the way they did the lines and everything. So creativity got to realize is way more broad than people realize. But the art to me shares a certain point of view of the artist.
(25:10):
And so what I love so much about creativity is that it's all different. And someone like the DayTripper was a creative work that came out of my brain randomly, divinely inspired, certainly, but it came out of my brain. From my point of view, the best art has a point of view to it. It comes from an artist. And so that's what people need to lean into their creativity. And if someone tried to make the DayTripper, someone else, if they just sort of tried to mimic what I was doing, it would fall flat on its face. It's not the way it's supposed to be. We try to repurpose and mimic something, and that just falls flat. It's never as good as the original because the original was a creative work and the mimic is not. That's why AI artwork is super boring to me.
(26:03):
Super boring. It has no point of view. It's a computer. So I want things that real people created, popped out of their brain. I don't care. I love it when someone is willing to take the risk to take their creativity, to put it down on something, and then to share it with the world. And I may not get it, and it might not be my cup of tea, but I'll applaud the effort if it really came from an authentic place, whatever, it is kids' books, kids' illustrations, those things can be so insanely creative. It's endless. And I'm a Christian, and so I see creativity everywhere. And I believe creativity was given to us as a gift, but it sort of is a reflection of an endlessly creative God. And you look around and the creativity in nature, my gosh, I would've never made a parrot that way, or a bug that blows a bubble and swims under the water or a rattlesnake like this guy. So that to me is the awesome part. It's almost like if we're really creative with these ideas and things that God has given us, then they're almost like, I don't want to get new agey on it. But they're almost like a little reflection of some sort of divine knowledge we have.
Kassi Kincaid (27:21):
So well said Chet!
Chet Garner (27:22):
Yeah.
Kassi Kincaid (27:23):
So well said. And earlier you were talking before this podcast about some of the things that you just really take to heart. It's like family sharing what these episodes have meant. Can you just share one of those?
Chet Garner (27:37):
Oh, yeah. Yeah. So we started the show. You don't know who's going to watch. I figured my mom would out of guilt, but I didn't know if she was going to be my only viewer. No lie. I showed my dad the first episode. He fell asleep in the middle of it. I'm like, I guess I better go back to the drawing board. But that's my dad. But my mom loved it of course. And she's been on the show. She has her own fan base now. She jumped out of a plane with me. Have you seen that one? When I turned 40 and she turned 70, we decided we were going to jump out of a plane together. And so we went skydiving. It was the first time for both of us, and it was amazing.
(28:16):
But you don't know who's going to watch, right? You don't know if you're going to hit the nail in the head or you're going to be weird, or people are going to be like, that was strange. And it has been a wild ride to see how many people have allowed the DayTripper to go into their home. They share it with their families. It inspires trips for them. People will plan their whole family vacations around what they see on the DayTripper. We had people come in from Germany that found us on YouTube and now have planned these epic family vacations in Texas for weeks doing nothing but what we've done on the show, it's so weird. And so it's really cool, I think. And being on PBS has offered us a special opportunity because an older audience is familiar with PBS, and then we've got sort of a younger energy on the show. So it's allowed generations can watch it together. And then my hope is then they go and travel together.
Kassi Kincaid (29:17):
Yes, inspiring community and family, spending time together...
Chet Garner (29:23):
All those great things that day trips offer. I want to inspire those because family bonding, shared experiences, the opportunity to just sort of shun the normal ruts of life and go do something new and fun.
Kassi Kincaid (29:40):
And that's so important in today's day and age. I feel like everyone is just so busy on their phones, on their tablets. Let's just get away as a family in nature and just have an epic adventure.
Chet Garner (29:54):
Epic adventures. Exactly. Exactly. People love vacation, but there's too many people who think vacation is something they do once a year, and then that's it. And then they spend the rest of their time discontent that they're not on vacation and they're just waiting for the next vacation. It's like, no, no, no. We should incorporate vacation into the routine of life. Take a weekend trip, add a little adventure here and there. So
Kassi Kincaid (30:18):
It's all about daytrippin.'
Chet Garner (30:19):
Daytrippin.' That's it. Yeah.
Kassi Kincaid (30:21):
So wrapping up today Chet, what would be one word of advice, one thing to leave our listeners on today?
Chet Garner (30:29):
Okay, that's a good question. This is one thing that I have to encourage people over and over. And when I say this, I'm also saying it to myself. Creativity requires a bit of a madman mentality. And too often we throw in the judge at the end of the lane. So the creative work, you take it from this weird idea and you slowly refine it. And then the last stage is to go back and critique yourself and judge how I could make it different. Well, the problem is we let the judge in way too early in the process. And so the judge comes in and when the madman is just doing what the madman does, the judge comes in and be like, that'll never work. That'll never work when that dude needs to shut up until we get there. So the madman stage I think is so important for anybody just to get it out.
(31:28):
It's kind of like whiteboarding, just get it out. Just get it out of your brain. And then you can start to organize it and refine it later. But if you let that last stage jump in before it's supposed to, it'll crush the whole process. The leaning into the chaos of the brain is where a lot of my creativity comes from. And if people saw the early episodes or if I'm editing an episode of the day trip, or if they saw it when it was swirling around in my brain, it wouldn't make any sense. But you go through the process and eventually it becomes a piece of art. But if you let the unknown squelch that before you even got started, you would never do anything.
Kassi Kincaid (32:16):
That is so true. And you have to just let those creative ideas out.
Chet Garner (32:20):
You got to get 'em out, get 'em out, write 'em down. I don't care what it is. And it doesn't even have to be in a bulleted points. I do these whirly bird things where I just start writing swirls. And I learned this in law school of all places. Law school taught me more about creative writing than I think film school did. But just getting it out and ideas connect, not linearly, right? This, then this, just kind of put it on paper and then you can start to organize it. But if you try to organize it before it comes out of your brain, you're never going to get it out.
Kassi Kincaid (32:58):
So true. Yeah, so true. So you have heard it from the Daytripper. Don't be scared to get out those creative ideas. Just get 'em out and then you can see where they go. And just like Chet, it's taking him daytrippin.'
Chet Garner (33:12):
Yeah. Take you on a day trip. Look at that transition, Kassi. She's good at this.
Kassi Kincaid (33:16):
So Chet, thank you so much for time. This has been an incredible time.
Chet Garner (33:19):
It was awesome. I'm honored!
Kassi Kincaid (33:22):
All your impact and just all your episodes across Texas and a little bit beyond.
Chet Garner (33:27):
A little bit. We dipped our toe in. Don't get used to it. But yeah,
Kassi Kincaid (33:31):
So definitely be sure to check out all the Daytripper's episodes. You'll be so inspired to take some day trips outside your normal family vacation. So Chet, thank you so much for your time. It's been a real honor.
Chet Garner (33:44):
Thanks Kassi. It was awesome.
Kassi Kincaid (33:45):
Thanks so much for joining us on this episode of The Edge of Creativity Podcast. Be sure to follow so you don't miss any of our upcoming conversations. We'll see you next time.
